How do you pronounce urim and thummim

Howe, Mormonism Unvailed, Also found in Dan Vogel, Early Mormon Documents Does it make any sense at all that the angel would actually punish Joseph by taking away the very means by which he needed to translate the plates with? And why punish him in this manner by forcing him to resort to using a common stone he found in a well? But these things were soon restored to him. However, David Whitmer and Emma Smith said that the original Urim and Thummim was taken back by the angel after the pages were lost and not returned.

This seems more likely because if Joseph did have the original Urim and Thummim, why would he use a common stone he found while digging a well to translate the rest of the BOM with? The fact that he used a single stone for translating the BOM is not in dispute as is mentioned many times by faithful LDS historians such as B.

Roberts and even apostle Russell M. Also the Church has this stone in its possession today but not the original spectacle-version of the Urim and Thummim, that was reportedly in the stone box.

Many critics contend that there never was a spectacle-version of the Urim and Thummim. Or perhaps he started using the stone sometime during translation of the first pages to Martin Harris. VOL 1 "How the Book of Mormon was Obtained Pg 93 - "The Breastplate of Urim and Thummim "It has been several times remarked that with the plates on which a brief history of the ancient American peoples was engrave, there was an ancient breast-plate to which, when the Prophet took possession of it, the Urim and Thummim were attached.

This breast-plate it appears the Prophet did not bring home with him when he brought the record. But a few days later, according to a statement by Lucy Smith, he came into the house from the field one afternoon and after remaining a a short time put on his "great coat" and left the house. On his returning the mother was engaged in an upper room of the house preparing oilcloth for painting - it will be remembered that this was an art she has followed for some years.

Joseph called to her and asked her to come down stairs. To this she answered she could not then leave her work, but Joseph insisted and she came downstairs and entered the room where he was whereupon he placed in her hands the Nephite breast plate herein alluded to.

It was concave on one side, convex on the other and extended from the neck downwards as far as the center of the stomach of a man of extraordinary size. It had four straps of the same material, for the purpose of fastening it to the breast, two of which ran back to go over the shoulders and the other two were designed to fasten to the hips. They were just the width of two of my fingers for I measured them. After I had examined it, Joseph placed it in the chest with the Urim and Thummin.

If there ever was a "Urim and Thummim", it was a prop for the con of Martin Harris. So why would the "angel" have taken the "Urim and Thummim" away from Smith after the pages incident?

Perhaps it was a 19th century paper shredder. If so, then Harris' loss of the pages would have left Smith without the ability to replicate the original. And to avoid that from happening again, the remainder of the translation required use of a different prop - a seer stone in a hat. Fleeing to the "solitude and secrecy of Mount Moriah" he became engaged in prayer and contemplation.

Here the Shekinah sacred presence appeared to him with instructions to preserve the wisdom of the antediluvians to their posterity. He then made a gold plate and engraved in characters the true, ineffable name of Deity.

The plate was then placed in a specially prepared subterranean vault, along with other treasure, and covered with a stone door. Enoch was then only allowed to visit the site once a year. After his death all knowledge of this sacred treasure was lost. Women in the fine arts, from the Seventh Century B. Clara Erskine Clement. Gulliver's Travels Jonathan Swift. Ancestors Gertrude Atherton. At his command they shall go out and at his command they shall come in, both he and the sons of Israel with him, even all the congregation.

When Saul inquired of the Lord , the Lord did not answer him, either by dreams or by Urim or by prophets. The governor said to them that they should not eat from the most holy things until a priest stood up with Urim and Thummim. The governor said to them that they should not eat from the most holy things until a priest arose with Urim and Thummim. Words nearby Thummim thumbs-down , thumbstall , thumb-sucker , thumbs-up , thumbtack , Thummim , thump , thumping , Thun , thunbergia , thunder.

How to use Thummim in a sentence At length the time arrived for obtaining the plates, the Urim and Thummim , and the Breastplate. Defense of the Faith and the Saints Volume 1 of 2 B.